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		<title>Comment on Ushering In The Post Bush Era by Sid Schwab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sid Schwab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 20:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don't know what I'd have done, but I'm really impressed and (speaking for the concerned citizens out there) grateful that YOU were! Nearly as troubling as the threats to and ignoring of the Constitution by the Bush administration is the seeming silence with which it's been greeted by members of Congress. A few, like Conyers, tilt at it; but it seems nearly futile without the support and concern of more members of Congress, and, of course, by the people. 

This &lt;a href="http://thepage.time.com/transcript-of-obama-presser-2/" rel="nofollow"&gt;transcript&lt;/a&gt; of a press conference by Obama gives (to me, anyway) an insight into what it might be like to have a president who can think again. Meanwhile, I'm glad for people like you willing to take the time both to go to the sources, and to write about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;d have done, but I&#8217;m really impressed and (speaking for the concerned citizens out there) grateful that YOU were! Nearly as troubling as the threats to and ignoring of the Constitution by the Bush administration is the seeming silence with which it&#8217;s been greeted by members of Congress. A few, like Conyers, tilt at it; but it seems nearly futile without the support and concern of more members of Congress, and, of course, by the people. </p>
<p>This <a href="http://thepage.time.com/transcript-of-obama-presser-2/" rel="nofollow">transcript</a> of a press conference by Obama gives (to me, anyway) an insight into what it might be like to have a president who can think again. Meanwhile, I&#8217;m glad for people like you willing to take the time both to go to the sources, and to write about it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Constitutional Originalism, Natural Law, and The Ninth Amendment by AugoKnoke</title>
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		<dc:creator>AugoKnoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 10:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so relieved somebody points to the Ninth Amendment in this exciting discussion about "originalism" and "activism". As a non-American, I consciously found the Ninth Amendment only yesterday, and I read it the very same way. 
I am not a lawyer, and of course there is always the doubt: Maybe I missed here something. But now I will feel free to use the argument with a lot more conviction.
Thank you so much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so relieved somebody points to the Ninth Amendment in this exciting discussion about &#8220;originalism&#8221; and &#8220;activism&#8221;. As a non-American, I consciously found the Ninth Amendment only yesterday, and I read it the very same way.<br />
I am not a lawyer, and of course there is always the doubt: Maybe I missed here something. But now I will feel free to use the argument with a lot more conviction.<br />
Thank you so much!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Human Rights Violators:  DIHS Nurses by Red Wind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Wind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of really good research here, Annie. The more I think about this, the more disturbed and incensed I become. We have to make sure that not only the nurses are disciplined--their supervisors must be held accountable, too. This inhuman, illegal behavior was Bush Administration policy, and everyone who signed off on it should be tried in open court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of really good research here, Annie. The more I think about this, the more disturbed and incensed I become. We have to make sure that not only the nurses are disciplined&#8211;their supervisors must be held accountable, too. This inhuman, illegal behavior was Bush Administration policy, and everyone who signed off on it should be tried in open court.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Nurses Week 2008:  &#8220;There Were No Nurses&#8221; by Annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for commenting, Judy, and welcome. I appreciate your perspective, and I have walked where you are walking. 

Clinical nurses are almost all working as employees, and that is the source of the autonomy and professional control problem.  Until a mechanism for practice brings all nurses: managerial,   clinical, academic and research - together and hold all nurses accountable to their nurse colleagues, to the nursing profession and to patients over loyalty to employers and payers, these problems will remain.

And so, in the end, it is nurses who are accountable for changing nursing.  Legislating away nursing's judgment about nursing practice isn't the answer, either.

I write about ways to do just this via self-governed nursing organizations and professional practice groups.  

It is unconscionable what is being done to nurses - specifically to you from what you write - but it will not change until nurses take back nursing and own it.

That will mean radical action, but how much worse will it have to get before the tipping point is reached?

I didn't mean to convey blame against individual nurses, and I apologize if that meaning came across.

I hope you'll stick around, read some of the other posts I've written about nursing and write some yourself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for commenting, Judy, and welcome. I appreciate your perspective, and I have walked where you are walking. </p>
<p>Clinical nurses are almost all working as employees, and that is the source of the autonomy and professional control problem.  Until a mechanism for practice brings all nurses: managerial,   clinical, academic and research - together and hold all nurses accountable to their nurse colleagues, to the nursing profession and to patients over loyalty to employers and payers, these problems will remain.</p>
<p>And so, in the end, it is nurses who are accountable for changing nursing.  Legislating away nursing&#8217;s judgment about nursing practice isn&#8217;t the answer, either.</p>
<p>I write about ways to do just this via self-governed nursing organizations and professional practice groups.  </p>
<p>It is unconscionable what is being done to nurses - specifically to you from what you write - but it will not change until nurses take back nursing and own it.</p>
<p>That will mean radical action, but how much worse will it have to get before the tipping point is reached?</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to convey blame against individual nurses, and I apologize if that meaning came across.</p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;ll stick around, read some of the other posts I&#8217;ve written about nursing and write some yourself!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Human Rights Violators:  DIHS Nurses by Annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 15:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, ondelette, for the cites.  I was so furious and confused about the authority under which they practiced that I didn't even get to the torture they committed and the national and international laws they are violating.

I think that the US is perpetuating a new cadre of Josef Mengeles.  That's why I call for the mass resignation of USPHS commissioned officers. If they are carrying out illegal orders, then they must resign, as this is a duty of all those commissioned in the uniformed services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, ondelette, for the cites.  I was so furious and confused about the authority under which they practiced that I didn&#8217;t even get to the torture they committed and the national and international laws they are violating.</p>
<p>I think that the US is perpetuating a new cadre of Josef Mengeles.  That&#8217;s why I call for the mass resignation of USPHS commissioned officers. If they are carrying out illegal orders, then they must resign, as this is a duty of all those commissioned in the uniformed services.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Nurses Week 2008:  &#8220;There Were No Nurses&#8221; by Judy Kniffin, RN, BSN, CPAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Kniffin, RN, BSN, CPAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 11:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am responding to this article regarding nurses on the "precipice of breaking the social contract" pertaining to patient safety and advocacy by not standing up to the powers that be or trying to get public attention to the problem. 

 Do you think bedside nurses have not  tried and tried and been continually beaten down trying to accomplish that very thing?  After 30 years of bedside nursing, I have been labeled a troublemaker, a non-team player, negative and a chronic malcontent when I bring to the attention of my managers, supervisors and administrators dangerous, unsafe scenarios, generally connected to poor nurse:patient ratio,  based on patient acuity.  I have been denied advancements, salary raises and now within the last year, trouble finding a job within my own area of Indiana because my former employer of 26 years has "passed on" all of those characterizations. Nothing in writing, only what I have heard from other would-be employers.  I have tried refusing to work in situations of  too few nurses for the acuity of patients, only to be told that refusing will cost me my job (THEN who is responsible for my patients?), will be reported to the BON as "abandonment" potentially leading to the loss of my license to practice or "If you don't like it here, there's the door".   

I would LOVE to change these things....but it is NOT solely the responsibility of the professional nurse. We used to be treated as physician handmaidens in the early 20th century.  We've become increasingly knowledgeable and responsible but are still considered just "part of the room cost" because what we offer can't be quantified by the bean conters.  When hospital budgets get tight, they look to their biggest expenditure:  nursing.  Can't cut too many, so we'll just cut back on the ancillary help:  read, now the RNs are doing  the work of dietary, housekeeping, clerking, IV teams, EKG techs, Respiratory therapists (unless it involves a ventilator), referees/security when things go bad with family and friends, counselors, pastoral care, social work, discharge planning....have I left anything out?  But the assignment load remains the same...and the hospital population has dramatically changed from when I first started nursing.  

Only VERY, VERY sick people are in hospitals.  If they are halfways healthy, care is done on outpatient, home care, doctor's office or free-standing surgery center basis.  No longer does someone just come in for "simple" surgeries and the patients  are more complicated with multiple co-morbidities. 

And now the push is on for making the hospitals "marketable":  let's be nicer than St. Whoever down the street.  Not just any TV, but 35" plasma flat screens with HD, cable and built in computers where patients who are computer savvy can contact various departments to personally lodge complaints.  I am told to smile and be nice no matter what the unit is going through crisis-wise as we don't want to lose any of our customers.  Big hospitals have become big hotels:  and the patients and family will let you know that they "got better treatment and service at the Marriott last year for less cost"  than they are experienceing here!.

Is it any wonder that more and more nurses are leaving, retiring early or have given up fighting the good fight, because they don't see Heaven at the end of the race, only a shabby pension, no health insurance, maybe Social Security with bad backs, bad knees and bad feet.   Wait...is it too late to change back to being just Cherry Ames, student nurse and swooning over Dr. Kildare?   



There comes a point where you just grow weary and pray that you will be around  long enough to monitor the healthcare delivered to  your own family and loved ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am responding to this article regarding nurses on the &#8220;precipice of breaking the social contract&#8221; pertaining to patient safety and advocacy by not standing up to the powers that be or trying to get public attention to the problem. </p>
<p> Do you think bedside nurses have not  tried and tried and been continually beaten down trying to accomplish that very thing?  After 30 years of bedside nursing, I have been labeled a troublemaker, a non-team player, negative and a chronic malcontent when I bring to the attention of my managers, supervisors and administrators dangerous, unsafe scenarios, generally connected to poor nurse:patient ratio,  based on patient acuity.  I have been denied advancements, salary raises and now within the last year, trouble finding a job within my own area of Indiana because my former employer of 26 years has &#8220;passed on&#8221; all of those characterizations. Nothing in writing, only what I have heard from other would-be employers.  I have tried refusing to work in situations of  too few nurses for the acuity of patients, only to be told that refusing will cost me my job (THEN who is responsible for my patients?), will be reported to the BON as &#8220;abandonment&#8221; potentially leading to the loss of my license to practice or &#8220;If you don&#8217;t like it here, there&#8217;s the door&#8221;.   </p>
<p>I would LOVE to change these things&#8230;.but it is NOT solely the responsibility of the professional nurse. We used to be treated as physician handmaidens in the early 20th century.  We&#8217;ve become increasingly knowledgeable and responsible but are still considered just &#8220;part of the room cost&#8221; because what we offer can&#8217;t be quantified by the bean conters.  When hospital budgets get tight, they look to their biggest expenditure:  nursing.  Can&#8217;t cut too many, so we&#8217;ll just cut back on the ancillary help:  read, now the RNs are doing  the work of dietary, housekeeping, clerking, IV teams, EKG techs, Respiratory therapists (unless it involves a ventilator), referees/security when things go bad with family and friends, counselors, pastoral care, social work, discharge planning&#8230;.have I left anything out?  But the assignment load remains the same&#8230;and the hospital population has dramatically changed from when I first started nursing.  </p>
<p>Only VERY, VERY sick people are in hospitals.  If they are halfways healthy, care is done on outpatient, home care, doctor&#8217;s office or free-standing surgery center basis.  No longer does someone just come in for &#8220;simple&#8221; surgeries and the patients  are more complicated with multiple co-morbidities. </p>
<p>And now the push is on for making the hospitals &#8220;marketable&#8221;:  let&#8217;s be nicer than St. Whoever down the street.  Not just any TV, but 35&#8243; plasma flat screens with HD, cable and built in computers where patients who are computer savvy can contact various departments to personally lodge complaints.  I am told to smile and be nice no matter what the unit is going through crisis-wise as we don&#8217;t want to lose any of our customers.  Big hospitals have become big hotels:  and the patients and family will let you know that they &#8220;got better treatment and service at the Marriott last year for less cost&#8221;  than they are experienceing here!.</p>
<p>Is it any wonder that more and more nurses are leaving, retiring early or have given up fighting the good fight, because they don&#8217;t see Heaven at the end of the race, only a shabby pension, no health insurance, maybe Social Security with bad backs, bad knees and bad feet.   Wait&#8230;is it too late to change back to being just Cherry Ames, student nurse and swooning over Dr. Kildare?   </p>
<p>There comes a point where you just grow weary and pray that you will be around  long enough to monitor the healthcare delivered to  your own family and loved ones.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Incarcerating People With Mental Illness by Healthcare Economist &#183; BREAKING NEWS: Health Wonk Review offers new insights</title>
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		<dc:creator>Healthcare Economist &#183; BREAKING NEWS: Health Wonk Review offers new insights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 05:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Home of the Brave: &#8220;Over 50% of all inpatient psychiatric care is delivered in prisons in the US.&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Human Rights Violators:  DIHS Nurses by ondelette</title>
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		<dc:creator>ondelette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 02:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Supreme Court has ruled that it is illegal to give neuroleptics to people with mental illness in order to make them able to stand trial, and it is illegal to forcibly give them to prisoners. (this cite is the 1992 decision on using them on people standing trial, it refers to the other one).

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/90-8466.ZO.html

So it's unconstitutional as well.  These people broke many laws. If any of Ade's problems recur, they broke all of them. Relieving them of their licenses would only be a prelude to prison terms under normal circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Supreme Court has ruled that it is illegal to give neuroleptics to people with mental illness in order to make them able to stand trial, and it is illegal to forcibly give them to prisoners. (this cite is the 1992 decision on using them on people standing trial, it refers to the other one).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/90-8466.ZO.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/90-8466.ZO.html</a></p>
<p>So it&#8217;s unconstitutional as well.  These people broke many laws. If any of Ade&#8217;s problems recur, they broke all of them. Relieving them of their licenses would only be a prelude to prison terms under normal circumstances.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Human Rights Violators:  DIHS Nurses by ondelette</title>
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		<dc:creator>ondelette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 00:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't know if this is a help, since it is 2005, but the following lawsuit outlines problem after problem, and jurisdiction after jurisdiction.

http://www.aclusandiego.org/article_downloads/000256/Woods%20v.%20Meyers%20Complaint.pdf

My suspicion is the same interagency deal is still in effect, but nobody wants this baby now.  You know more about nurses and doctors, but EMTs (mentioned in the first article) operate under medical directors, who establish the protocols they must follow. They don't practice except as delegation of physicians authority or as Good Samaritans. From that perspective, I'd go after the medical protocols and the directors who signed them. If DIHS is the medical authority, I'd guess it's the same, find the name of the person who signed the DIHS protocols.

Those nurses in part 4 didn't just commit malpractice, they committed at least CIDT (defined in the U.S. as violation of 5th, 8th, 14th amendments), and at most torture, depending on whether their treatments (esp. in Ade's case) caused any long term effects (longterm effects are needed only under U.S. statute not under the UNCAT). Sounds as if the program knew it too, that's why at the slightest hint of legal attention, they started saying they needed court orders. The court knew it as well, they refused to give such an order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know if this is a help, since it is 2005, but the following lawsuit outlines problem after problem, and jurisdiction after jurisdiction.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aclusandiego.org/article_downloads/000256/Woods%20v.%20Meyers%20Complaint.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.aclusandiego.org/article_downloads/000256/Woods%20v.%20Meyers%20Complaint.pdf</a></p>
<p>My suspicion is the same interagency deal is still in effect, but nobody wants this baby now.  You know more about nurses and doctors, but EMTs (mentioned in the first article) operate under medical directors, who establish the protocols they must follow. They don&#8217;t practice except as delegation of physicians authority or as Good Samaritans. From that perspective, I&#8217;d go after the medical protocols and the directors who signed them. If DIHS is the medical authority, I&#8217;d guess it&#8217;s the same, find the name of the person who signed the DIHS protocols.</p>
<p>Those nurses in part 4 didn&#8217;t just commit malpractice, they committed at least CIDT (defined in the U.S. as violation of 5th, 8th, 14th amendments), and at most torture, depending on whether their treatments (esp. in Ade&#8217;s case) caused any long term effects (longterm effects are needed only under U.S. statute not under the UNCAT). Sounds as if the program knew it too, that&#8217;s why at the slightest hint of legal attention, they started saying they needed court orders. The court knew it as well, they refused to give such an order.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Human Rights Violators:  DIHS Nurses by Blue Girl, Red State</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Girl, Red State</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 18:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for coming by my place and leaving a comment.  We in the helping professions (CLS/SBB/ ASCP member in good standing) owe it to our professions and to our patients to stand up in the face of this egregious misuse of our talents and abilities and demand accountability of those who sully our good name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for coming by my place and leaving a comment.  We in the helping professions (CLS/SBB/ ASCP member in good standing) owe it to our professions and to our patients to stand up in the face of this egregious misuse of our talents and abilities and demand accountability of those who sully our good name.</p>
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